We now get a good look at the Savage Reservation, which is continually juxtaposed with the society of the Brave New World.
It is quite obvious how these two societies are different. A more interesting question would be about the SIMILARITIES Huxley is trying to show us between these two worlds, neither of which John is fully a member.
If you don't like that question, then work on this one. How is John different from the people in the Savage Reservation AND how is he going to be different from the people in the Brave New World when he goes there to visit?
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The Savage Reservation and the Brave New World are very different places. There are a few similarities between the two. One similarity is how they celebrate their religous services with music and dancing around in the circle. Lenina even said that this reminded her of the Solidarity Services. The Savages also seem to love their jobs since Mitsima said his whole work day was filled with absorbing happiness. The last similarity is that of outsiders in the worlds. The groups are so together with one another that if a person has a slight difference they label them as an outcasts and treat them with less respect than the rest.
ReplyDeleteBobby LeWarne
John is different from the people in the Savage Restoration because he was born of a "civilized" person. His mom came from the Brave New World and gave birth to him in the Savage Restoration. Therefore, he can never be fully part of either society. He'll always be different from the other savages because his mom was once on the outside. And when he goes to the Brave New World, he will be different because he wasn't born in a beaker or conditioned. John is an outcast. However, he is very similar to Bernard. They are both outcasts in their respective societies, they both are trying to find their way, and both of them are fascinated by what lies in the others world. It wouldn't surprise me if Bernard and John actually switch worlds, or Bernard decides to live in the Savage Restoration.
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ReplyDeleteJohn, much like Bernard, is considered an outcast. He has differently colored skin than the Savages and cannot fully understand their language. As a result, he cannot understand the insults the Savages make of his mother. He is also excluded form games and activities, such as the sacrifice, because of his abnormalities. He is often consoled, however, by the fact that he can read, while the Savages have only spoken language to communicate.
Unfortunately for John, he will not assimilate well into the Brave New World, nor will his differences be embraced by the Brave New population as also seen with Bernard. Immediately upon arrival, John will be deemed unclean and labeled a Savage, despite his Beta birth. Then, he will most likely be used as a lab experiment. If he is allowed to visit under normal conditions, his lack of sufficient conditioning will be evident and even appall to the general populous. Also, John will know of a strange person named Jesus. He will probably be horrified by the adoration of Ford. He is like Bernard in many respects, and for this, he too will be an outcast. For example, he wants to feel something. This desire was apparent when he "crucified" himself. This will go against the Utopian ideal so rampant in the Brave New World.
Patrick Kinley
John is different from all the people on the reservation because his mother is from the Brave New World. As much as she could, she conditioned John and taught him things about the "civilized" world. John's mother made him different from all of the others on the reservation, and being from the reservation will make him different in London. He will act differently than everyone else because he was not conditioned. People will look at him differently and he will only make Bernard more of an outcast.
ReplyDelete-Vince Driscoll
John is different from the people in the reservation because he doesn't look the same as the indian boys on the reservation. He has light hair and light skin. He also is different because he knows how to read, even if he can't understand everything he reads. He is also different because his mother is different than the savages. She is from london, and is conditioned which in turn leads to bad patches in her way of living because she is so used to the lifestyle where everyone belonged to everyone else. This is not the same case in the reservation, and she is looked down upon for the way she values things. This causes the others in the reservation to look down on John as well, simply because Linda is his mother.
ReplyDeleteHe will be different when he gets to London because he asks questions when he does things. He wants to know where things come from and what things mean. He will also be different because he is so used to marriage and having kids the 'viviparous' way. He will also be different because he has read shakespeare, and he knows certain things that most people in the 'brave new world' don't know. His appearance will also be slightly different in the new world because he has a scar on his face, and no one else [or almost no one else, the book doesnt really specify] has a scar in the new world.
I think John is going to be a misfit in almost any setting he could be placed in. People tend to judge [even in perfect societies] based on appearance and social class and how 'wealthy' or 'well to do' a person is. Societies will also judge based on your intellect and your level of knowledge. I think John has a potential, just like Marx, to cause a drastic change in the new world.
Mary Kate Leister
John is different from everyone not only from his physical appearance, but the ways he thinks and ponders things, quite like Bernard. They are both very similar characters in that they are outcasts and like to slow down and "smell the roses." They both don't really belong in any society because Johns birth and because if Bernards physical self and personality that no one seems to like. I think that every character in this "perfect utopian society" has problems that they don't mention to many people. Bernard and his height, John has the odd parents and is shunned, Lenina thinks she is fat, and even the Director because he is so self conscious. Even though Huxley is bashing our society, I think it is too make it seem how good we really have it in our world, and that we couldn't handle a utopian society. And I also think that is why he incorporated a very uncivilized to see the two extremes and how we are lucky.
ReplyDeleteOkay I just have a couple questions.
ReplyDelete1. On page 139 they mention someone named Miranda...Who is she and why did they mention her so briefly?
2. Did the director really think that Linda was dead or did he just say that because he didn't want people to know that she was actually having a baby?
Claire Hagedorn
John is a social outcast because he is not a native of the Savage Reservation. His skin is lighter, he speaks perfect English, and he can even read Shakespeare. John is constantly ridiculed, especially for his conditioned mother Linda who sleeps with nearly any man she can get. The natives make fun of John and throw rocks at him for being different, and although he may not understand why he is such an outcast, he at least makes an attempt to become accepted. After the religious ceremony, John told Lenina that he wanted to be the one sacrificed, a bold statement that shows how important he feels religion is to the Savages. Even when the other boys excluded him from spending a night on the mountain, John still went by himself in order to find his sacred animal and be somewhat normal compared to the other natives.
ReplyDeleteJohn is also going to be a social outcast because he is generally just a different kind of person. Like Bernard, he thinks about things rather than just accepting them. In fact, to cure his unhappiness, John stood against a rock to see what it was like for Jesus on the cross. Rather than resorting to the alcoholic mescal, John turns to religion. In the Brave New World, John is most likely going to use other strange methods to be happy instead of taking soma, which will most likely be met with discontent. Also, the fact that John was not born in a beaker (and is really the Director's son) will probably cause him to be an outcast in the Brave New World as well. People may consider him to be imperfect, or they may even reject his status as a Beta because of his natural birth.
John is different from both societies both physically and mentally. His skin color is different and his mom had tried to condition him for the outside world but he still will never think the same. This makes it so Bernard and John have a lot in common but are also quite different. they both think different and really just want to fit in.
ReplyDeleteBenard and John are both alike. They are both outsiders to their worlds. They both like women that they can't be with (Lenina because she wants to have all the men she can and Kiakime because she has just been married to Kothlu.) Bernard and John also are different because they both think about what it would be like if their worlds were different from they are. John believes he wants to go to "The brave new world" because Linda told him that, "everyone is happy there." But when he goes their he will realize that people drugged to always being happy (like how Linda always drank the mescal to be happy with where she was) and he will have the same mindset as Bernard and will want the world to change. John will also have to make the adjustment from his world. Like he has to praise "Ford" instead of "Jesus." He will also have to stop saying terms like mother and father because in The brave new world their are no mother and fathers.
ReplyDelete-Ryan Battani
John is different from the other reservation people because of his birth, much like Bernard. He wants to be part of the community but they discriminate against him because he is different. He can read while the other "savages" can't. Bernard and John are in the same situation from two different worlds. Both of them are outcasts wanting more than what is offered to them.
ReplyDelete-Zach Duff
John is different in his physical apperance and also in the way he does things.
ReplyDeleteWhile he was with lenina and she was passed out he didn't tale advantage of her like alot of other men would've done. I was suprised that he didn't because even though people in our world wouldn't think of doing that it seems like it was kind of common in their world. Also, I was suprised he could hold himself back. He thought lenina was the most beautiful person he had ever seen. The people usually acted on impulses and even though he had a strong impulse h was able to control himself.
He is paler skinned than most of the other people on the reservation because his mom was part of the brave new world society. He was thought of as an outcast because his mom, being taught that "everybody belonged to everybody" didn't find that sleeping with married men was a problem. That is not how the other society is run because they have spouses who they are supposed to be loyal to.
-Emily Calos
John is very different from the people in the Savage Reservation, because his mom comes from the "civilized world". So his mom is teaching him completely different morals than the rest of the people living in the Savage Reservation, and she is doing her best to "condition" him in the ways of life that she grew up in. Her belief that "everybody belongs to everybody" sets her behavior apart from other people in the Savage society, and automatically makes life harder for him.
ReplyDeleteYet he would not fit completely into the "civilized" Brave New World either, because he has grown up in the Savage Reservation. And as much as his mom really tried to condition him, he still knows what the people at the Savage Reservation believe, and their set of morals are also engraved in him to some extent. He is stuck in a boundary area between the two worlds that makes him an outcast in either society.
-Eily
John's life, in my opinion, is in quite a dilema. He does not fit in at the Savage Reservation nor will he fit in at the brave new world he is about to enter. He does not fit in at the Savage Reservation because all his clothes are torn to rags and his mother has no idea how to mend them. His childhood was sad and depressing. His mother did not have a mother of her own and, therefore, did not know how to act as a mother to him. His mom taught him things that were contrary to what others around him were being taught. He was a confused young child who at the same time was somewhat intelligent. He doesn't know this yet, but he is about to enter into a world where he will be much much more confused and will experience things that he nver thought possible. Him and Bernard just need to go off and figure out whats going on with their world and set everyone straight! (:
ReplyDeleteI think that Bernard is so interetsed in John because he an outcast like Bernard. I think this is why he asks him so many questions about his society.
ReplyDeleteJohn is different from everybody else in his home in a few ways. He is different physically because he was born by his mother who was not originally from the community but began in the brave new world. Because he is different physically I think it makes his mindset different as well. One example is from pages 116 and 117. This is when he is talking to Lenina and Bernard about the ceromony and how he should have been the one to be whipped because who would have made it around ten times rather than the seven that the Ouse man did. I think this shows that he is trying to make up for his difference by being tougher than the others.
I think that John was more different as a child than he is now though. This is because he was telling Bernard about how the other kids used to sing means songs about his mother and thatto get his mind off it he would work on his reading that his mother was teaching him. But I think that now that he is older he is still an outcast but people have grown used to it.
John is caught between two very different societies. His mother knows and practices the customs of one culture, while he lives in a completely different culture. John knows how to read and he dreams of what the world is like outside. He is ridiculed by the other boys who live on the reservation and so he believes that it will be much better outside in the other world. But even though he dreams of the world outside, he is surrounded by different customs and has already developed practices that will not be acceptable to other poeple living outside the gates.
ReplyDeleteBecause John is living between two different world, I don't think he will fit in, in either world. When John goes to the new world, I think that we will be amazed and overjoyed at some of the things he is going to see, but after he lives there for a while, he will be discusted at some of their practices. I don't think he will like not showing his emotion and taking soma. He will also be discusted by the absence of mothers and families. Overall, I don't think he will like the brave new world as much as he thought he would.
John is different from the people on the savage reservation because he knows of the other world's beliefs and how they live their lives. He is familiar with their morals, how people are created, and their caste system. When he visits the other society he will be different because he knows of their customs and everything that goes into making the "perfect" society, but he will also have his own morals and beliefs from growing up on the savage reservation. John will be able to compare the two societies and point out the evils going on in the "perfect" community. I think Bernard and John will work together to discover what's really going on (brainwashing), and be able to shake up the community by showing them how wrong their "perfect" community is.
ReplyDeletejohn is different because he does not look like he from either society, he does not resemble the savages in size color or how he dresses. but he acts differently and thinks differently then others in the brave new world. he does not apply the same logic as others would. he also does not mind how the savage people live. unlike lenina who is extremely disturbed by these people and there society. john also notices the goods and the bads of each of the societys
ReplyDeleteI have a couple of questions:
ReplyDelete-Who is Popé and why does John hate him so much? (Other than turning his mother into a drunk.)
-Why is Lenina so offended and upset by seeing the mother with her baby?
-Why did Linda decide to accept John as her child even though it went against everything she knew in civilized society?